User Info: Necronmon. Forum Posts. i’m only human From what we can tell, he was a happy child who wanted to be a pilot like his father, although he struggled with maintaining the darkness within him, which manifested as resentment of his family. They’re members of the Skywalker family on Leia’s side. Similarly, Jacen Solo has his own weakness: his daughter. The latter's torture, subtle seduction and flawed motivation provide a layered approach to the character and his fall. Jacen Solo wins easily. Poco después de la batalla de la Fortaleza Vader, el Lord Sith Darth Vader, el personaje Sith del famoso Caballero Jedi Anakin Skywalker, escuchó la voz de Ren diciendo que era hora de «dejar morir el pasado» mientras mataba las ilusiones … Follow 434. They have similar story beats, although Jacen's is far more defined. All of the Jedi in old EU became more and more powerful as time went by. Jaina had unique training, studying under the tutelage of both Boba Fett and Luke at different points of her life. Ren is haunted by the conflict between the light and dark within him. Predictable and his descent into the darkside was not convincingly written IMO. Ben’s relationship with Leia and Han when he was growing up is unknown, though he came to resent his father. From the first moment that it was revealed that Kylo Ren was in fact Ben Solo, Han and Leia’s estranged son, EU fans were seeing reflections of the Solo’s other de-canonised first son, Jacen. He had a strong support system, and was taught the ways of the light side. Those stories were rebranded in 2014 as Star Wars Legends and deemed no longer part of canon, although some elements and characters -- perhaps most notably Thrawn -- have since made their way back into continuity. It's no surprise the two share many similar story beats, but now that Kylo Ren's story is over with The Rise of Skywalker, it raises the question of which character had the stronger arc. Though they now existed in the universe, it wasn’t until 1995’s Young Jedi Knights series when the twins truly came to prominence, starring in 14 titles centered around their adventures and experiences at Luke’s Jedi academy. As he left to save her, his twin sister Jaina stabbed him in the abdomen. Jacen Solo will never follow that same path, but he nevertheless served as inspiration for Kylo Ren. Star Wars: What Happened to the New Jedi Order? Like Kylo Ren, he embraced a new identity: Darth Caedus. 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Could it be that the memories unleashed by the Lightsaber were in fact Rey’s rather than Luke’s? Additionally, Rey and the other characters who fight Kylo Ren have no significant bond to the boy he was before. Although Marvel's The Rise of Kylo Ren comic is still revealing information about this part of Ben's past, we still have some information about him before he became Kylo Ren. Jacen was determined to prevent that from happening. In all of the possible futures he saw, the only time that was prevented was when Dinn died. The son of Han Solo and Leia Organa Solo, Jacen was strong in the Force like his mother and uncle, Luke Skywalker. In the canonical 2016 novel Bloodline, set about six years before the events of The Force Awakens, Leia's secret that she is the daughter of Darth Vader is revealed and, immediately, she worries about Ben's reaction. Jump to navigation Jump to search. Vol. Upon his return, he adopted a more detached view of life and death, reasoning that sacrifices had to be made for the greater good. Ben Solo was raised by a loving family. But in the comic book series, his name is Jacen Solo. Kylo, at least, was a great source of unintentional humor. He was replacing the daughter he’d lost so many years ago. In the aftermath of The Rise of Skywalker, the Resistance celebrated the fall of Palpatine and, presumably, the supreme leader of the First Order, Kylo Ren. Although deleted from canon, the characters of Jaina and Jacen Solo may say a lot about what we can expect to see from Kylo Ren and Rey. He grew up with feelings of resentment toward his parents, and inherited the Force sensitivity of the Skywalkers. The most likely theory is that Han and Leia’s other child was thought to be dead after the massacre of the Knights of Ren, causing Luke’s self-imposed exile and the breakdown of Leia and Han’s relationship, a couple so devastated by that loss that they refuse to even mention it. Jaina and Jacen Solo vs Rey and Kylo Ren God-EmperorofMankind2. In The Force Awakens, it’s revealed that Kylo was being trained by his uncle who was preparing a “new generation of Jedi.” Though they never mention that Rey was being trained by Luke, or even acknowledge her background, we do see Luke and the Knights of Ren during her Force vision. Ben Solo/Kylo and the Sequels as a whole were poorly written overall. A secret Sith apprentice named Vergere taught Jacen how to survive, but unknown to him, the very lessons that kept him alive were his introductions to the Sith. 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When the moffs of the Imperial Remnant crafted a nano weapon that would target his wife and her people, Caedus feared for his daughter's life. RELATED: REPORT: Disney Developing Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Television Show. Star Wars is steeped in wildly esoteric lore. We all know that Kylo has struggled to truly commit to the Dark Side, often tempted back to the Light. Disney's Raya and the Last Dragon Story Trailer Reveals Awkwafina's Dragon, Godzilla Vs. Kong Trailer May Reveal [SPOILER] as the Film's Real Villain, Disney+'s Peter Pan & Wendy Casts Jim Gaffigan as Mr. Smee, Spider-Man 3 Won't Include Dane DeHaan's Green Goblin, the Actor Says, News of the World Is Basically The Mandalorian In the Old West, Godzilla vs. Kong Announces Trailer Date With a Titanic Poster, Disney Reveals Raya and the Last Dragon's Premiere Access Pricing, Spider-Man 3 Photo Confirms Tom Holland's Brother's Role, Modern Cyberpunk Keeps Forgetting the 'Punk'. After the war, Jacen traveled the galaxy and learned from different Force users. That not only describes Adam … Should have never had him turn into Caedus. Jacen's other familial connections of note to his native continuity include being the brother of Jaina Solo and Anakin Solo as well as the cousin of Ben Skywalker. He trained with his uncle Luke and his new class of Jedi, but at about age 23, Ben succumbed to the Dark Side. All names, trademarks and images are copyright their respective owners. Affiliate links used when available. The warring factions had become united against Caedus and, following his death, made a peace settlement. They went from being good pilots to flying in perfect synchronicity due to mind melds. In Legends, Jacen and Luke's struggle has more weight. As you all know Kylo Ren is the son of Han Solo and Leia Organa Solo, just like in the comic book series they had a child who turned to the Dark Side after tragic events occurred in his life. Once Ben switched to darkness, he turned on his classmates, becoming Kylo Ren and destroying everything Luke built. The closets to a official book of Kylo Ren VS Jacen Solo we might get. He didn’t have a familial bond with his parents early in life, having been raised by a nanny. If you’re remaining spoiler-free, turn back now. Jacen sought out possible futures through the Force, and encountered a vision of himself fighting Luke and killing him while the galaxy remained at war. In the aftermath of The Rise of Skywalker, the Resistance celebrated the fall of Palpatine and, presumably, the supreme leader of the First Order, Kylo Ren. She explained that Jacen could use the Dark Side and not be corrupted by it, and bring peace to the galaxy. Ben Solo was born roughly a year after the Battle of Endor. Ben and Jacen both have stories that heavily feature a conflict with Luke Skywalker. So could he have secretly saved his younger sister who was training alongside him? From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Jacen Solo and Kylo Ren have a lot in common – and intentionally so – but which of Han and Leia's bad seeds has the better story arc in Star Wars? Jacen has been noted as an influence for Kylo Ren , the canonical son of Han and Leia and villain of the Star Wars sequel trilogy , and Jacen Syndulla , the canonical son of Kanan Jarrus and Hera Syndulla from the epilogue series finale of Star Wars … If this is the case, we could still see Rey eventually redeemed just like Jaina was in the EU books, ready to save the galaxy and defeat her evil brother. So, it's likely that a big part of Ben's story involves an identity crisis over that revelation, coupled with the impact of his repeated temptation by Snoke. Jacen’s life differed than Ben’s. Well, we do have things such as Spider Pig and what not lol. It would explain Han’s immediate attempt to connect with and create a life with Rey. Why do you ask? It's possible Vader's helmet has a similar effect on Ben that Anakin's lightsaber had on Luke, calling out to him (hence, his apparent worship of it). Many of his allies, including Chewbacca and his brother, Anakin Solo, were killed. Jacen served as a Jedi Knight for years, but the Yuuzhan Vong War changed everything. He's fun to mock, and the "Emo Kylo Ren" Twitter account was pretty much the only good thing to come out of the ST for me. Ever since the first The Force Awakens rumors started creeping around the internet, there were rumblings that the film might include two of the expanded universe’s most pivotal characters: Jaina and Jacen Solo. Star Wars: Why Did Maul Try to Run Down Anakin in The Phantom Menace? Sure, I guess that Rey and Kylo Ren having whatever storyline 'The Rise of Skywalker' was is a thing but also Jaina and Jacen Solo are better. Before Disney purchased Lucasfilm in 2012, and subsequently streamlined Star Wars continuity, there was the Expanded Universe, the umbrella term for any officially licensed material outside of the films, including novels, television series, video games and comic books. Ah well, I suppose different fanfiction appeals to others. RELATED: Star Wars: What Happened to the New Jedi Order? Kylo Ren is a fictional character and a major antagonist in the Star Wars franchise. KEEP READING: Star Wars: How Heir to the Empire Brought the Thrawn Trilogy to Comics While Kylo Ren was his own character with alternate motivations and a very different familial relationship, the Jacen Solo stories clearly laid the foundation for Ben Solo's rise, fall and ultimate redemption. Though Disney stripped down the expanded world of the Star Wars universe when they took control of Lucasfilm, fans of the franchise and its expansive decades-deep landscape still use the framework set up by the books and comics to theorize on what might happen next and who we might see appear in the current Star Wars canon. In The Rise of Skywalker, Ben Solo couldn't save his mother, but he used his final moments to save Rey, someone he had repeatedly caused harm to. Like Ben Solo, he fell completely to the Dark Side by killing a family member. Like Rey, she was also a talented pilot. Snoke's manipulation seems to revolve around the promise of power, acceptance and the ability for Ben to choose his own path rather than be overshadowed by his famous family. Kylo Ren Is Jacen Solo The son of Han Solo and Leia Organa who turned to the Dark Side after being trained by Luke Skywalker? Kylo Ren could still very well be Jacen, or at least a Solo kid if they change his name. RELATED: Star Wars Confirms the Galaxy's Most Dangerous Lightsaber. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. How does Kylo Ren aka Ben Solo from The Force Awakens compare to Darth Caedus aka Jacen Solo from Star Wars Legends? The familial elements in Jacen's arc are also more prominent, allowing for some intriguing drama. Plus Chewie was dead before Jacen became Caedus but Chewie's alive when Kylo Ren became a sith. Wiki Points ... Jacen can solo with 1 arm cut off and having been stabbed with a lightsaber before hand 0. Many fervent Star Wars observers have suggested that Rey might be on the wrong path, spurred on by Luke’s apparent dismissal of her. Leia was unable to spend as much time with her son as possible, as she was assigned to the position as a senator of the New Republic, while Han was unable to stay in one place for very long.When he was twenty-three years old, Ben was sent to study alongside other Jedi students, being instructed and led by his maternal uncle, Jedi Master Luke Skywalker. The troubled Solo boy felt … STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > STAR WARS Discussion Kylo Ren is Jacen Solo, grandson of Anakin Skywalker. Kylo Ren. i can almost hear you scream . Kylo’s descent into the Dark Side seems to echo that of Jacen. Jaina and Jacen were a huge part of the EU, first appearing in Timothy Zahn’s The Last Command in ’93. We know it’s clear that Rey and Kylo are unlikely to be twins, but a popular fan theory is that they’re secretly brother and sister. Two words, Power Creep. Reply. Tenel Ka Djo/Jacen Solo (87) Leia Organa/Han Solo (79) Mara Jade/Luke Skywalker (59) Jagged Fel/Jaina Solo (34) Rey/Ben Solo | Kylo Ren (26) Anakin Solo/Tahiri Veila (17) Kylo Ren/Rey (17) Kyp Durron/Jaina Solo (15) Anakin Solo & Jacen Solo & Jaina Solo (12) Padmé Amidala/Anakin Skywalker (10) Exclude Additional Tags Alternate Universe (45) Jacen Solo was the hero of the war, defeating the leadership of the Vong and ending the conflict. ... Kylo Ren is not a bad character, he’s a bad person. Jacen Solo story is great in everything before LOTF. In The Last Jedi, Luke is petrified by Ben's darkness. Ben Solo Kylo Ren; Star Wars character: Adam Driver as Kylo Ren in Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015) First appearance: The Force Awakens (2015) Last appearance: Asadora! Though it would be slightly complex for the filmmakers to explain, it wouldn’t be impossible. He deactivated his lightsaber, and used his final moments to warn his wife and daughter to flee to safety. He embarked on a mission with Ben Skywalker and Nelani Dinn, and encountered a woman who reveals herself to Jacen as Lumiya, the Dark Lady of the Sith. Kylo Ren is Jacen Solo, grandson of Anakin Skywalker. Those children were twins, Jaina and Jacen, and their younger brother, Anakin. That's somewhat similar to The Rise of Skywalker's final confrontation between Kylo and Rey, where, in a moment of concern for his mother, Ben's defenses fall, allowing Rey to stab him in the abdomen. Like Rey and Kylo's fight in The Force Awakens, Caedus was faced with an opponent who employed an unfamiliar fighting style and was at a disadvantage due to his injuries. So, when it comes to the battle of the Solo kids, we have to give one to Jacen. In that case, it would be safe to say that Rey was likely training under Luke alongside Kylo as young child before she was dropped off on Jakku. This is a significant moment for Luke and Ben, placing them on their respective paths. Lia is an English Literature Major who loves all things X-Men –and most importantly, Cyclops. Yep. Only, instead of killing his father, he killed his aunt, Mara Jade. She is also a huge Star Wars and DC Comics fan. That conflict tore the galaxy apart, resulting in the death of trillions, devastating both the New Republic and the Jedi Order. Though Jacen was the son of Han and Leia, he would be forever remembered as Sith Lord Darth Caedus rather than the name he was born with, just like The Force Awakens‘ very own Ben Solo. Like Jacen, and their grandfather before them, that display of humanity allowed him to die as Ben Solo, not as Kylo Ren. This is a completely new timeline. Because Luke, Han and Leia are mostly background characters in the sequel trilogy, they don't receive a chance to shine in Ben's story. This post contains observations taken from the trailers for Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. 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